Tony and Craig are at YOW! Conference in Brisbane and chat to Jessica Kerr, software developer, consultant and symmathecist (look it up or listen to the podcast) and apart from our first live podcast sneeze they talk about:

• YOW! 2018 keynote “The Origins of Opera and the Future of Programming“
• YOW! 2018 talk “Shaving the Golden Yak“
• Great teams make great people – if you want to become great as a developer, focus on the team
• You can’t document what is obvious to you – whenever you say the word obviously, replace it with “I cant explain it, but…”
• Yak shaving – all the tasks that you do that get in the way of your work
• If you are an agile person but you wish agile had more code in it – go to the Domain Driven Design community
• We need to embrace complexity…

Craig chats with Paul Rayner, a BDD and DDD expert who helps people bridge the gap of collaborative design between developers and business representatives, at YOW! West in Perth, and two old friends talk about the following:

* Agile Alliance Functional Testing Tool workshop (2011 in Salt Lake City)
* “Domain Driven Design” (Eric Evans) and “Working Effectively with Legacy Code” (Michael Feathers)
* The heart of DDD is about developing a rich model to allow you to deal with complex business domains
* Domain Driven Design Europe conference
* Design done well should pay off immediately, as well as in the medium to long term as well
* There are lot of overlaps between DDD and BDD, particularly the use of an ubiquitous language, BDD is a test first way to drive out your domain model
* YOW! West Keynote “EventStorming”
* Given When Then has…